Ep.5 Convo With Ben Blake on Ethics-Anarcho-Yakitalism Podcast

Got an objectivist theist on! Ben Blake and I talked about ethics, especially with drawing the line with skepticism. We found we agreed on a lot. Mother Teresa was mentioned.

You can find Ben’s work on his old blog.

Objective means true for everybody, as opposed to subjective which is true for yourself. An objective law would be the law of gravity, it applied to everything. A subjective opinion would be the taste of a banana, it can change with each persons taste buds. An objective law of morality would be one that everybody follows and/or agrees upon. Ben and I came to the agreement that if there is an objective law of morality, it’s that innocent people should not be harmed. Very few people disagree, and they are psychotic. If we’re going to have a foundation of ethics, it should be that.

Enjoy!

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10 Responses to Ep.5 Convo With Ben Blake on Ethics-Anarcho-Yakitalism Podcast

  1. Great show.

    But I think you are both making a mistake in saying “a majority of Saudi Arabians want women to wear burkas.” I think you’re paraphrasing Bill O’Reilly and confusing the people of that country with the Saudi State.

    I’d recommend you interview a libertarian Muslim. I know two of them if you want an introduction.

    MWD

    • Nick

      You may be right there. The point is, the societal moral influence is making women wear burkas. Whether that be from a majority or a powerful minority. It doesn’t matter which, the point is the morals are different from the Western World.

      I have gotten an affirmative on an interview with a libertarian Muslim, for an upcoming series. But I would appreciate contact between both of them.

  2. Lane

    I listened to episodes 1 through 5 today and really enjoyed it. The philosophy is honestly a bit beyond my level, I only think that deeply about knives and handloading, but I like the way you are leading people to where they can actually explain what they believe and why. As my favorite fictional philosopher Hub McCann said, “A man has to decide what he is going to believe.” in his explanation that the truth isn’t as important as the reason for the belief.

  3. Geoffrey Hazelton

    By “natural” I mean we are put together as social animals. It is not learned. That means we are created that way just as bees and ants are created as social insects. If you are created that way that is indirect evidence of a creator.

  4. Great show Nick.

    There were a few terms you both understood that weren’t defined for your listeners. We aren’t all philosophy scholars.

    I really don’t know what is meant by “objective” when it comes to ethics. Assuming there could be such a thing I have no idea what form it could take. What would constitute evidence of such?

    I liked the thought about “discovering ethics”. This is very close to the idea of discovering law that Stephan Kinsella briefly discussed on my last show and perhaps this is what you guys meant by “objective”. But it’s not that the thing “discovered” is something out there in the objective world of the senses.

    I don’t think there is a “group evaluation faculty” other than what individuals can add to a body of agreed upon thought such as books. I believe that mankind discovered that cooperation was going to work better than the “law of the jungle”. Property rights are the basis of cooperation. I see no reason why this has to be innate knowledge. It’s found to work better for all concerned in their quest for better survival and so it is adopted and taught. Property rights aren’t given, they are agreed.

    • Nick

      Rats! I’m always afraid I might be doing that. Should always define terms, I will put a glossary in the show notes. Thank you for pointing that out.
      Objective means true for everybody, as opposed to subjective which is true for yourself. An objective law would be the law of gravity, it applied to everything. A subjective opinion would be the taste of a banana, it can change with each persons taste buds. An objective law of morality would be one that everybody follows and/or agrees upon. Ben and I came to the agreement that if there is an objective law of morality, it’s that innocent people should not be harmed. Very few people disagree, and they are psychotic. If we’re going to have a foundation of ethics, it should be that.

      I haven’t listened to that yet. Yes, it’s not discovered physically, it’s found through logic, reason, and philosophy. The thing discovered is a moral principle, we discover it by observing how people act. “Innocent people should not be harmed”, is the most common and is almost universal to the point where it might as well be objective for the human race.

      You are certainly right there.

      • Thanks for clearing that up. I get it.

        I love “innocent people should not be harmed”. I think it’s a great way to open a discussion.

        I’d say it depends upon property rights as without having that concept you cannot define innocence or guilt, violator or victim. But the concept of rights is so screwed up for a lot of people that I think beginning with innocence will have more reach.

  5. Geoffrey Hazelton

    I really do not have a big disagreement with what was discussed but I think there is an element of the natural way we are created as social animals that comes into play. Non cooperation in providing or protecting the group could ultimately lead to the demise of the group. Thus there is a thrust for the most efficient way to provide for the group economically and morally which is natural. So the protection of private property or boundaries is essential as is the protection of life be it against murder or the abuse of children, If this is “natural” this leads back to a creator, however you define that.

    • Nick

      You are certainly right. But you have faulty logic in your phrase: “If this is “natural” this leads back to a creator…” No justification there.

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